I’ve wanted to talk with these two people for a very long time so when the stars aligned and I was able to get them both on the same podcast episode it felt like Christmas!

Having this discussion about language and how we as therapist use it to frame and situate our therapeutic relationship, power and recovery for the people that we work with.

If you haven’t heard of the TV show we talked about, “See”, before then check this out:
Meet the blindness consultant ensuring Apple TV Plus show See respects accessibility

We also mentioned an episode of Killer Mike’s TV show Trigger Warning no Netflix. In particular episode 1 “Living Black”:

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